Stephen Flynn Posted February 5, 2020 Report Posted February 5, 2020 Summary: Tencent has listed infection numbers vastly different than official numbers on repeated occasions. "...each time the screen with the large numbers appears, it shows a comparison with the previous day's data which demonstrates a "reasonable" incremental increase, much like comparisons of official numbers. This has led some netizens to speculate that Tencent has two sets of data, the real data and "processed" data" Article: Tencent may have accidentally leaked real data on Wuhan virus deaths; Tencent briefly lists 154,023 infections and 24,589 deaths from Wuhan coronavirus See https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594 TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — As many experts question the veracity of China's statistics for the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak, Tencent over the weekend seems to have inadvertently released what is potentially the actual number of infections and deaths, which were astronomically higher than official figures. On late Saturday evening (Feb. 1), Tencent, on its webpage titled "Epidemic Situation Tracker", showed confirmed cases of novel coronavirus (2019nCoV) in China as standing at 154,023, 10 times the official figure at the time. It listed the number of suspected cases as 79,808, four times the official figure. The number of cured cases was only 269, well below the official number that day of 300. Most ominously, the death toll listed was 24,589, vastly higher than the 300 officially listed that day. Moments later, Tencent updated the numbers to reflect the government's "official" numbers that day. Netizens noticed that Tencent has on at least three occasions posted extremely high numbers, only to quickly lower them to government-approved statistics. Netizens also noticed that each time the screen with the large numbers appears, it shows a comparison with the previous day's data which demonstrates a "reasonable" incremental increase, much like comparisons of official numbers. This has led some netizens to speculate that Tencent has two sets of data, the real data and "processed" data. Some are speculating that a coding problem could be causing the real "internal" data to accidentally appear. Others believe that someone behind the scenes is trying to leak the real numbers. See article for screengrab images purportedly showing markedly differing tallies. Back on January 24, Dr. Jonathan Read (UK) predicted: “By February 4, he writes that "our model predicts the number of infected people in Wuhan to be greater than 250,000 (prediction interval, 164,602 to 351,396)." See https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/uk-virus-researchers-estimate-250000-people-in-wuhan-will-get-corona-virus-in-13-days-20200124 For a more thorough read on Jonathan Read’s prediction for February 4th see https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-researcher-predicts-over-250000-people-china-will-have-coronavirus-ten-days
psk Posted February 6, 2020 Report Posted February 6, 2020 Quote Most ominously, the death toll listed was 24,589 This very sadly would correspond with the live footage coming from China from both civilians and medical staff which is horrendous.
psk Posted February 6, 2020 Report Posted February 6, 2020 https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3872448 Quote Wuhan could now have 300,000 coronavirus infections: Study HKU study says Wuhan virus infections to 'double every 6 days' TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — A study released in a respected scientific journal last week calculates the number of Wuhan virus infections has already surpassed 300,000 and the number of cases will "double every 6.4 days." A scientific modeling study carried out by the University of Hong Kong (HKU) and published on the Lancet website last week suggests the Chinese government has underestimated the epidemic tenfold. The study estimates the number of cases is much more given the 2.68 spread rate per case, the doubling of total infections every 6.4 days, and known travel patterns in China and worldwide. The study stated that by Jan. 25, there were probably already 75,815 people infected with the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in Wuhan. This number for January far exceeds the number given by the government on Feb. 6 of 28,000. Given the report estimated over 75,000 cases on Jan. 25, it has been 12 days, and the rate of doubling is every 6.4 days, the number of cases in Wuhan alone would now be around 300,000. The study then predicts that if there is "no reduction in tranmissbility," infections should peak by April of this year. The report then said that there would be a one to two week lag for the rest of China's cities. The researchers wrote that if transmissibility was reduced by 25 percent, both the growth rate and magnitude of local epidemics would be reduced. If transmissibility could be reduced by 50 percent, the spread of the virus would be slowed substantially, but it would also peak much later in the year. The authors concluded that massive quarantine efforts in Wuhan will have negligible effect on the forward trajectories of the epidemics in other cities because they have already been "seeded" with dozens of infections. The report then stated that "local epidemics are probably already growing exponentially in multiple major Chinese cities" and given the large numbers of travelers from those cities to destinations across the globe, other countries are at risk of experiencing Wuhan virus epidemics in the first half of this year. Quote
psk Posted February 6, 2020 Report Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) The study, mentioned above by the Lancet from January 31st. https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736(20)30260-9 Edited February 6, 2020 by psk
yisurhp0 Posted February 7, 2020 Report Posted February 7, 2020 Why are people believing this image? The numbers on that website are updated at the same time every day, yet this 1 screenshot (if it was real, there would be hundreds from different people) shows a time hours different from when it would be updated, anyone can change the numbers using inspect element then take a photo on their phone, likely what someone did. I'm not saying i believe their numbers but cmon people
Stephen Flynn Posted February 7, 2020 Author Report Posted February 7, 2020 You ask, "Why are people believing this image?" I suppose it might be because some don't believe the honesty of the regime's numbers. Personally I am not inclined to believe the official numbers. I'm also not inclined to trust these numbers either, but I found the article interesting and wanted to share it. That it is here on recombinomics does not imply that anyone here believes it. As you say, it's possible to fake any image. What I found intriguing was that supposedly this occurred several times, and each time the odd numbers bore a reasonable relationship to what seemed a likely reasonably expected number of cases. Admittedly, it's an odd article. Let's hope that the numbers officially being released are accurate numbers.
Charles Lewis ND Posted February 7, 2020 Report Posted February 7, 2020 I've been in contact with two people in China. One is from the UK and he trains medical doctors in China. He is telling me that the numbers are at least 10x more than official numbers. This would have been 2 weeks ago.
niman Posted February 7, 2020 Report Posted February 7, 2020 I am putting up the last post on this thread, because the threads at Recombinomics should be posting verifiable data. The data posted claiming over 25,000 deaths and less the 300 discharges would create a CFR approaching 100%, which is not supported by any real data (i.e. the data is internally inconsistent with reality).
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