niman Posted March 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2020 Mar 26 Increases in NY and NJ insures that the US will be #1 in world for confirmed COVID cases today Trump released plan to Balkanize the US through easing of social distancing efforts for select regions Trump should not have anything to do with management of a pandemic response https://recombinomics.co/thedrnimanshow/2020/03/032620.mp3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Schultz Posted March 26, 2020 Report Share Posted March 26, 2020 (edited) Dr. Niman, I wish you wouldn't be so focused on President Trump in the current situation. I agree that the Trump Administration has done a miserable job in preparing for a pandemic (like all previous administrations, although some did better) and is doing an absolutely horrible job in handling this one, but the question really needs to be raised as to how much power the POTUS really has. For example, can you really say with certainty that Trump isn't under threat to do what he is told or face assassination or harm to his family? In my opinion this country, like perhaps all others, is an oligarchy, not a democracy (as I explain somewhat in a draft article at MEVoting.com), and personally I think it was courageous of Trump to use a phrase like "deep State Department" in one of his press conferences the other day. I saw an article yesterday which said the reason Trump hasn't yet used his powers under Defense Production Act is, at least in part, due to pressure from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and some business leaders. So I don't think he has as much freedom as you (and Jeff Rense, especially) seem to think he does, and I think if he was impeached and Pence became president the country might be considerably worse off than it is now. I think a Clinton Administration would probably have done a lot better with regard to preparedness and the response to Covid-19, but with her anti-Russia, anti-Putin rhetoric it might possibly have gotten us into a nuclear war. You might want to read Stephen F. Cohen, professor emeritus of Russian studies and politics at New York University and Princeton University: https://www.thenation.com/authors/stephen-f-cohen/ I think a lot of people who were very critical of President Trump before this crisis are using the crisis for political reasons, to attack him further, and that's a distraction from the discussion and decision-making which is needed at this time. I'm all for criticizing the policies of the Trump Administration to hopefully effect a change, but I think personal attacks are counterproductive. Edited March 26, 2020 by Jon Schultz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KbyU Posted March 26, 2020 Report Share Posted March 26, 2020 Quote I think Trump got bad advice from his public health experts early on. What unfolded wasn't showing up in their data so their plan to contain the virus didn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code Posted March 27, 2020 Report Share Posted March 27, 2020 3 hours ago, Jon Schultz said: Dr. Niman, I wish you wouldn't be so focused on President Trump in the current situation. I agree that the Trump Administration has done a miserable job in preparing for a pandemic (like all previous administrations, although some did better) and is doing an absolutely horrible job in handling this one, but the question really needs to be raised as to how much power the POTUS really has. For example, can you really say with certainty that Trump isn't under threat to do what he is told or face assassination or harm to his family? In my opinion this country, like perhaps all others, is an oligarchy, not a democracy (as I explain somewhat in a draft article at MEVoting.com), and personally I think it was courageous of Trump to use a phrase like "deep State Department" in one of his press conferences the other day. I saw an article yesterday which said the reason Trump hasn't yet used his powers under Defense Production Act is, at least in part, due to pressure from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and some business leaders. So I don't think he has as much freedom as you (and Jeff Rense, especially) seem to think he does, and I think if he was impeached and Pence became president the country might be considerably worse off than it is now. I think a Clinton Administration would probably have done a lot better with regard to preparedness and the response to Covid-19, but with her anti-Russia, anti-Putin rhetoric it might possibly have gotten us into a nuclear war. You might want to read Stephen F. Cohen, professor emeritus of Russian studies and politics at New York University and Princeton University: https://www.thenation.com/authors/stephen-f-cohen/ I think a lot of people who were very critical of President Trump before this crisis are using the crisis for political reasons, to attack him further, and that's a distraction from the discussion and decision-making which is needed at this time. I'm all for criticizing the policies of the Trump Administration to hopefully effect a change, but I think personal attacks are counterproductive. I agree personal attacks are counterproductive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niman Posted March 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2020 I expect this pandemic to be worse in the US than 1918, and Trump's role will loom large. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sally Patricia Posted March 27, 2020 Report Share Posted March 27, 2020 55 minutes ago, niman said: I expect this pandemic to be worse in the US than 1918, and Trump's role will loom large. Do you mean a fall 2020 CV19 wave might be worse than the fall 1918 H1N1 wave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niman Posted March 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sally Patricia said: Do you mean a fall 2020 CV19 wave might be worse than the fall 1918 H1N1 wave? Yes, if there is no treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sally Patricia Posted March 27, 2020 Report Share Posted March 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, niman said: Yes, if there is no treatment. Whoa😨. Maybe I'm being pessimistic, but a widely-used treatment by the time school starts (if it does?) seems unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niman Posted March 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Sally Patricia said: Whoa😨. Maybe I'm being pessimistic, but a widely-used treatment by the time school starts (if it does?) seems unlikely. You are being realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Schultz Posted March 27, 2020 Report Share Posted March 27, 2020 (edited) This is an excellent interview, imo, from Tuesday with Dr. Michael Osterholm of CIDRAP who I'm sure you know, Dr. Niman, is an epidemiologist who has been warning about the need for pandemic preparedness for about as long as you have. He opines that implementing the Defense Production Act would not significantly increase the supply of PPEs (I hope Jeff Rense will listen) and questions whether school closings is in fact a good idea considering how many health care workers consequently have to stay at home with their kids, among other comments on various aspects of the pandemic. http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/podcasts-webinars/episode-1-how-we-got-here Edited March 27, 2020 by Jon Schultz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niman Posted March 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 On 3/27/2020 at 4:28 AM, Jon Schultz said: This is an excellent interview, imo, from Tuesday with Dr. Michael Osterholm of CIDRAP who I'm sure you know, Dr. Niman, is an epidemiologist who has been warning about the need for pandemic preparedness for about as long as you have. He opines that implementing the Defense Production Act would not significantly increase the supply of PPEs (I hope Jeff Rense will listen) and questions whether school closings is in fact a good idea considering how many health care workers consequently have to stay at home with their kids, among other comments on various aspects of the pandemic. http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/podcasts-webinars/episode-1-how-we-got-here He is correct on "just in time", but I don't put much weight on the rest. The Italian strain has taken over the eastern US and has a serious foothold in the west. Looking backwards at Asia is for those who can't read a sequence, and if you keep looking backwards you will miss the freight train in front of you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeLover Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) Did the Italian virus strain start in China and change in the process of moving to Italy? Is the Italian strain more virulent than the strain that is said to have started in China? is the freight train specific only to the Italian strain? Edited March 30, 2020 by CoffeeLover Clarity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niman Posted March 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 The Italian stain evolved from the original Wuhan strain. It is taking over the US. Today 16 sequences from Manhattan and Nassau county were released. All 16 were the Italian strain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niman Posted March 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 The Italian strain is also showing up in Seattle and Northern California. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeLover Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 Since treatment doesn't seem to be an option because of the rapid evolvement and spread, is sheltering in place the only effective option at this time? And would that seem to be for an extended period of time, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeLover Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 At this point, does it matter if a lay person knows the difference between Italian and China origin? It really becomes a matter of survival vs the need for professional expertise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeLover Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 I really appreciate your input, because you are the only one who has put it straight and applicable to daily life. I read the sequences, and understood them during the bird flu days, but this is new and just too much right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niman Posted March 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 The only point I was making about the strain was that modeling based on the old virus is "garbage in garbage out:. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeLover Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) I am so tired of hearing the word modeling when applied to this virus development..It’s like an illusion and pretend knowledge full of holes. Especially those in the press conferences. Edited March 30, 2020 by CoffeeLover Clarity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niman Posted March 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) Mar 26 US #1 in confirmed COVID cases US in different league 85,000 in US 17,000 New Cases in 1 day Doubles every two days Only countries with totals above 17,000 - France, Iran, Germany, Spain, China Tomorrow will hit 20,000 per day White House briefing in 2 parts 1st part is campaign rally CDC Cited PPE supply chain issues 1 1/2 months ago Europe and Middle East spread began Feb 21 (by Italy and Iran) http://mediaarchives.gsradio.net/rense/special/rense_032620_hr3.mp3 Edited April 1, 2020 by niman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niman Posted March 31, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) Mar 27 Italy 919 deaths Spain 737 US over 100,000 confirmed COVID cases Over 20,000 cases in one day US topped 400 deaths in one day Will soon be #3 on deaths (will pass France, Iran, and China) by early next week Boris Johnson positive (UK now above 2100 deaths in one day) None really can compete with the US (only Spain and Italy getting more deaths per day) New York blockade (Balkanization of United States) 911 on hold (priority to heart attacks and breathing difficulties) Younger cases on ventilators http://mediaarchives.gsradio.net/rense/special/rense_032720_hr3.mp3 Edited April 1, 2020 by niman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niman Posted March 31, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 Mar 30 Unnecessary deaths Estimates between 1-2.2 million deaths "Good outcome" 100-200,000 deaths If everything done just right Everything is NOT being done No national lock down Testing limits Who can be tested (HCW and severe symptoms first) State testing determined by governors Still flying blind 5-6 states started lock down today Florida loaded in Miami, Broward, Palm beach No spring break limits US #1 in world by wide margin Became #1 last week - went from 80,00 to 100,00 to 163,000 (Italy closest with 100,000) 23,000 new cases today (have doubled China) Close in on daily death toll of Italy and Spain (800-900 / day) US up to 600 / day Sequences becoming increasingly available Lineages defined NY dominated by Italian lineage http://mediaarchives.gsradio.net/rense/special/rense_033020_hr3.mp3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niman Posted April 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2020 Mar 31 White House briefing Trump knowledge of pandemic US set records today More deaths (almost 900) than Italy or Spain Tomorrow we will be above 200,000 confirmed COVID cases Other states like NJ, MI, LA adding significant numbers Other states will have over 100 deaths per day More sequences from Manhattan and Nassau 30/34 NY sequences match Italy http://mediaarchives.gsradio.net/rense/special/rense_033120_hr3.mp3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KbyU Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 What strain does Louisiana have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niman Posted April 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2020 Apr 1 http://mediaarchives.gsradio.net/rense/special/rense_040120_hr3.mp3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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